In episode eight, podcast hosts and singer-songwriters Katie Phillips and Karen Joy Brown look into the other side of listening; paying close sonic and emotional attention to what we hear in our own songs and those we love. They address classic pitfalls like self-doubt and judgement and offer the benefits of objectivity and discernment while identifying what makes a song work without falling for the fool’s gold of cookie-cutter hits.

They perform and discuss original songs, Real Time and Last Year’s Christmas Tree in relation to the topic.