In episode four, podcast hosts and singer-songwriters Katie Phillips and Karen Joy Brown unpack the second of five elements that support a joyful, sustainable creative life: doing the work. They explore the “do the work” list of practices that attend to the work of songwriting craft as well as personal care/growth strategies that free us to access available learning tools and resources. They perform and discuss original songs, Meditate on the Sun and Teenage Angel of the Morning in relation to the topic.